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Re: Linux on older laptops
by Luke-Jr 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

On Tuesday 03 January 2006 19:43, you wrote: > Luke-Jr wrote: > > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 00:19, Richard Piper wrote: > >> Just curious Luke, how far do you take this belief? Do you only run > >> computers which work with a free-as-in-freedom BIOs as well? > > > > If I had that choice, I certainly would. Ditto for firmware and hardware. > > I'm sorry, but at this point, you fall off the edge of your own world. > You claim it's immoral for an entity, be it personal or corporate, "corporate entities" is a bug in certain legal systems, not a real thing. > to distribute *their* creation as they see fit, The problem is only when "they see fit" involved artificially restricting the rights of others. > yet you find it reasonable to continue to use that same software/hardware? Not when I have a choice. If I am forced to use something licensed/distributed immorally, well... I'm forced to use it. Not much I can do there. The new open-design PPC system looks promising, though. > You *do* have that choice. Nope. > You could fabricate your own hardware, and then program it yourself. I could not, as I lack the skills to design the hardware or to fabricate it. > You *choose* to skip that step and use someone else's piece's and parts, all > the while espousing how immoral it all is. I have no choice but to use the parts someone else has designed due to above limitations of practicality. > >> The way I see it: the drivers aren't immoral; the company's decision to > >> not open source the drivers was immoral. > > > > And your decision to buy the device and use the drivers is an act of > > support. Now, obviously if you were given it or had already bought it, > > that doesn't apply, but you're still sacrificing your rights and > > piece-of-mind (who knows what backdoors these drivers might have?) by > > using them. > > Are you not, according to your first paragraph, also supporting them? > You're obviously using a computer, yet every computer that runs on non > free-as-in-beer hardware/software is immoral? I can only make a choice when a choice is given. If someone pushes you off a tower, are you at fault because you chose to continue falling?

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Linux on older laptops
by curt 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

Hi All, This should start a raging debate! Are there any opinions regarding a good choice of distro for an older laptop? Thinkpad T22 w/384MB ram and Thinkpad T23 w/512MB ram. My only priorities are quick boot times, wireless support, firefox or opera web browsers and a decent word processor that can save files in .doc format. I've considered DSL, but would prefer reiserfs support. Thanks, Curt

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Taking a poll on mail client reply
by Tom Bruno 04 Jan '06

04 Jan '06

I'm tired of hitting reply and then realizing my reply went directly to the person and not the list. It doesn't make sense to _ME_ to default replying to off list because the whole point of the list is to see the questions and the answers. So i propose that we change the mailing list to put kclug(a)kclug.org first in the list of whom to reply so that when people hit reply they reply to the list since technically the list sent them the message. If nobody wants this, that's fine. I know other lists don't do this. I admit, I don't know why they don't do this. I don't know the standards for such a feature. I just thought it would be a way to ensure that replies make it to the list because several times I've had to go in and resend the message cause i suddenly realize my email went to the person and no one else saw it. Like i said, it's just an idea. shoot it down, agree or whatever.

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OT: PHP Programmers Wanted
by rcedelman＠comcast.net 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

My employer is looking for some PHP programmers to (I believe) subcontract out to some customers of ours. Must know SQL as well (MySQL 4.x is the backend) as this is a dynamic database driven site. This all will run on a Debian Linux system, so it's kinda related here :) If anyone is interested, email any questions and/or resumes to redelman(a)netstandard.com. If you can include links to examples of your work, that'd be great!

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Re: Taking a poll on mail client reply
by rcedelman＠comcast.net 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Most modern email clients (K-Mail and Evolution come to mind) also have a "reply to list" function that works fairly well. Not that I'm using a modern email client these days, but I wish I was. Comcast's webmail sucks horribly; note the top post! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Tom Bruno <tom(a)limesg.com> > Charles Steinkuehler wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Tom Bruno wrote: > > > > | I'm tired of hitting reply and then realizing my reply went > > | directly to the person and not the list. > > > > This is (holy|flame)-war ground... > > > > Check out the first two google hits on: reply-to munging: > > > > "Reply-To" Munging Considered Harmful > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > > > MetaSystema.Net: Reply-To Munging Considered Useful > > http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml > > > > My main personal experience with nastiness caused by either method is > > with > > our neighborhood e-mail list: When I first brought the list up, some new > > users were not familiar with the munging feature and send private > > replies to > > the list by mistake (simply by hitting reply). Reply-to munging has been > > disabled ever since... > > > According to other posts, it's immoral to hide your reply's in private > messages ;) > > but I do understand the complications, and like i said, I know nothing > of why it's setup like this, and have no opinion. I just find it annoying. > > And I did it again when i just replied to you, luckly i hit cancel in time. > > > ...and google ranks the "considered harmful" page above the "useful" > > page, > > so it must be bad. :-) > > > > - -- > > Charles Steinkuehler > > charles(a)steinkuehler.net > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) > > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > > > iD8DBQFDuuUCLywbqEHdNFwRApKuAJ90K14fkz21uTywPTxdA0y0xk6sigCgureY > > YVkzzmGFmXWI2CEGBbX12FM= > > =p/uE > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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[Fwd: Re: Linux on older laptops]
by Rick 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

Luke-Jr wrote: > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 00:19, Richard Piper wrote: >> Just curious Luke, how far do you take this belief? Do you only run >> computers which work with a free-as-in-freedom BIOs as well? > > If I had that choice, I certainly would. Ditto for firmware and hardware. I'm sorry, but at this point, you fall off the edge of your own world. You claim it's immoral for an entity, be it personal or corporate, to distribute *their* creation as they see fit, yet you find it reasonable to continue to use that same software/hardware? You *do* have that choice. You could fabricate your own hardware, and then program it yourself. You *choose* to skip that step and use someone else's piece's and parts, all the while espousing how immoral it all is. > >> I used NDISWRAPPER because it allowed me to move to GNU/Linux without >> forcing me to buy new hardware. > > Wrong phrasing/thinking: It isn't the move to GNU/Linux that would have forced > you to buy anything-- it was the manufacturers of the unsupported hardware. You are handcuffing yourself to a hard drive. Admirable, but ineffective because no one's going to come bulldoze your hard drive. > >> The way I see it: the drivers aren't immoral; the company's decision to >> not open source the drivers was immoral. > > And your decision to buy the device and use the drivers is an act of support. > Now, obviously if you were given it or had already bought it, that doesn't > apply, but you're still sacrificing your rights and piece-of-mind (who knows > what backdoors these drivers might have?) by using them. Are you not, according to your first paragraph, also supporting them? You're obviously using a computer, yet every computer that runs on non free-as-in-beer hardware/software is immoral? -- ---- Mortality sucks... -- ---- Mortality sucks...

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Re: ToC, Fast Indexes, OOo and AmiPro1
by Jared 03 Jan '06

03 Jan '06

> I am hoping there is a macro or some trick to quickly > add index entries for a document. Currently, I am > trying to add an index for a genealogy book, I've > written (still in alpha mode). This book covers about > 135 pages at letter size paper and about 600 people. > While the index will build all links to the > individual,that means tagging 600 entries. Not fun. I > know I should have done this as I created it, but it > was created en-mass from a database and then edited. I > originally had this in AmiPro, but I'll discuss that > later. Is there anything to make it faster, or do I > just need to bite the bullet? OpenOffice uses BASIC as one of its scripting languages, meaning that if you can generate a list of all the names you want to "tag" then write a macro which cycles through the list, searching the main document for each item, then tagging it, your bullet is bitten. You're probably going to spend as much time figuring out how to do this, and then doing it, as you would the manual method, but from that point forward, you'll know OO macros and you'll be a poweruser. > Secondly, I'd like to know why OpenOffice doesn't > import AmiPro documents? Just a rant I guess. Dunno. A quick Google search reveals that it does. You can always save to RTF, which is a good portable format for most purposes. > Lastly, I'm curious if there are any peopel out there > writing books in Linux and what they use? I've heard > of Latex and such things for layout, but not really > sure why you'd want to use them. > They just look confusing as Hell. I plan to use Scribus for a book I'm working on when it's ready to publish. I haven't used it yet, but it has very good reviews across the spectrum. http://www.scribus.org.uk/ -Jared

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[OT] Laptop Harddrives
by Josh Charles 01 Jan '06

01 Jan '06

My laptop harddrive went out on me today, and unfortunately my laptop is no longer under warranty, so I'm faced with the double task of A) Seeing if I can get the little bit of data that was not yet backed up off of it, and B) replacing it. I went to the manufacturer website to see about getting a replacement from them, but it was going to cost $400! My question is this: are laptop harddrives pretty much like tower harddrives in that they are standard sizes and I don't neccesarilly need a drive from the manufacturer? I looked through google, and I saw hints towards this, but I just want to be sure. The specs from the manufacturer are as follow: 40.0GB ATA-100 EIDE hard disk drive - 4,200 RPM, 2.5-inch form factor, 9.5mm height The thing that bothers me is the "form factor." It's an HP laptop, but the drive from the factory is Toshiba. Any help will be greatly appreciatted! Thanks, Josh

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ToC, Fast Indexes, OOo and AmiPro
by Jack 31 Dec '05

31 Dec '05

Hello, I am hoping someone out there uses OpenOffice and specifically uses the indexing function. I am hoping there is a macro or some trick to quickly add index entries for a document. Currently, I am trying to add an index for a genealogy book, I've written (still in alpha mode). This book covers about 135 pages at letter size paper and about 600 people. While the index will build all links to the individual,that means tagging 600 entries. Not fun. I know I should have done this as I created it, but it was created en-mass from a database and then edited. I originally had this in AmiPro, but I'll discuss that later. Is there anything to make it faster, or do I just need to bite the bullet? Secondly, I'd like to know why OpenOffice doesn't import AmiPro documents? Just a rant I guess. <more ranting> Has anyone used AMiPro in Linux? I used to use in on Windows machines and remember it being quite nice. AmiPro seems like a nice program in Linux, except very buggy. It moves footnotes around between openings of a document, loses the formatting on footers and has some strange default settings on paragraph styles. Not to mention buggy indentation, and several other bugs I don't remember. It has not been fun converting a document from AmiPro to OpenOffice. Also it has no capability to build a Table of Contents or the indexing function I'm using in OpenOffice. At least not one that can update automaticallly. That is not to say OpenOffice doesn't have issues. Like changing the next page style on a page changes it for every page of that type, everywhere in the document! However once you get over that learning curve for OpenOffice, it's got a lot of great stuff. </enough ranting for now> Lastly, I'm curious if there are any peopel out there writing books in Linux and what they use? I've heard of Latex and such things for layout, but not really sure why you'd want to use them. They just look confusing as Hell. Brian JD

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Re: Linux on older laptops
by Brian Kelsay 30 Dec '05

30 Dec '05

On 12/29/05, Luke-Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > On Thursday 29 December 2005 08:57, Leo Mauler wrote: > > As for wireless support, learn this keyword: "ndiswrapper". > > ndiswrapper is just a hack to use immoral drivers. Not a real solution at all. > > The actual driver, however, should be picked up by hotplug, though... Seems to > detect my orinoco-compatible card fine. The only exception I can think of to > this would be a Broadcom-based card, in which case you get to test out the > new bcm43xx driver: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ > That is as good as a non-answer. "Seems to detect my orinoco-compatible card fine." Orinocos were among the first Linux supported wireless cards. Those and the prism chipsets. Do what works if it saves you from buying more hardware. I actually looked for an Orinoco card when I wanted a wireless, but couldn't find one in my price range. I ended up with a card that had a linux driver written by the chipset mfg. Luckily they provided source that worked with the 2.4 series of kernels, but had to be recompiled for each and every kernel version difference. I ended up getting a Netgear card that had an Atheros chipset, that I knew had a Linux driver. Much less hassle.

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