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Re: proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem
by Luke-Jr 25 Feb '06

25 Feb '06

On Friday 24 February 2006 23:59, Jon Pruente wrote: > On 2/22/06, Luke-Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > > On Wednesday 22 February 2006 08:16, Jon Pruente wrote: > > > On 2/21/06, Luke-Jr <luke(a)dashjr.org> wrote: > > > > eh, what happened to procmail? still works here... > > > > > > It'll still work whereever it gets installed and configured. > > > > Which happens in one place: your mail server. > > Which assumes tht I have or even want to run a mail server. Or any > local server on my house. A computer's purpose is to serve humans. A private network server isn't too much different than a private local service (such as X and KDE), except for technical implementations. > And therein lie some of the headaches. > http://www.applefritter.com/node/10053 That presumes you need a UPS. If it's a private server, you don't. > > Unless I do something very stupid to my server, I can always surf over to > > dashjr.org and login to get my mail. > > Or something bad happens to your hardware, as in the thread on my UPS > above. An additional mail server isn't going to make that any more likely than it would otherwise be. Besides, it's not much more likely to happen with my hardware as it is to happen with Google's hardware. Sure, they'll have backups, but you should too. (Note: with this last statement, I am somewhat a hypocrite, since I have virtually no backups at this point due to their expense-- but they're still a *very* good idea) > > Huh? What headaches? Unless you're even worse than I am with keeping free > > disk space... > > Local space, server space, keeping one machine alive to be a server > for any length of time. ;) Sure, I'm assuming you already have a computer... No need for it to be a separate server box. > > > So once they get their act together I can get things sorted better. > > > > emerge courier-imap > > The main difference in our methods involve running a server. For > 99.9% of people, that isn't even an option. For 99.9% of people, they are indeed limited to using what others provide. That's no reason the 0.1% of us who aren't limited as such shouldn't use our talents.

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RE: Amazing Xgl Demo Video
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 24 Feb '06

24 Feb '06

Do they have to repaint on MS Windows? It seems like they do. There is some feature where if you move a window around, you only see the outline of the window until you plop it down somewhere. "Show contents while dragging" or some such. Does this sort of thing require a repaint? It always seems faster on older systems. What is the minimum video card and video ram to be able to reproduce this new fangled stuff? (I didn't listen to the video commentary.) Brian >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason Clinton >Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:44 PM >Yea, those 'features' are marginally useful. The stuff that >makes sense, though: applications 'minimize', literally, to the tray. Also, >applications never have to 'repaint' their view ports because, >as far as they are concerned, they are never covered by >another window -- they are just rendering to an abstract GL surface. > >Presently, when you drag a window around on your desktop, all >the apps which were dragged over have to repaint their >contents. That's why your CPU utilization goes way up. >-- >Jason Clinton

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SANS computer security class coming to Columbia...
by Jason Youngquist 24 Feb '06

24 Feb '06

IMPORTANT REGISTRATION NOTE: We must have 125 registrants before February 28 or the course will be cancelled. Purchase orders will not be invoiced until after the course and registration may be completed without your official purchase order number. The official PO number will be required prior to attending the event. If payment is made by credit card, the account will be charged as soon as your registration is processed with a debit to your account in the event of a cancelled event. MOREnet (Missouri Research and Education Network) http://www.more.net and the University of Missouri System have partnered with SANS and are very pleased to bring the SECURITY 508: System Forensics, Investigation and Response class to Columbia, MO at a significant savings for members of the education, law enforcement and library communities. The details of the course are below. Class: SECURITY 508: System Forensics, Investigation and Response Dates: Monday, June 12 - Saturday, June 17, 2006 Location: Stoney Creek Inn, Columbia, Mo. http://www.stoneycreekinn.com/locations/index.cfm?LocationID=8 Who Should Attend * System administrators and incident handling personnel who are looking for an integration of forensics and investigative methodologies and legal issues * Anyone who wants to understand the technical side of incident response * Anyone who wants to learn how to image and analyze Windows and Linux systems involved in an investigation * Anyone who wants to learn how to forensically recover and analyze data without relying on a tool to automatically accomplish the task * Anyone who wants to learn how filesystems are structured and store their data so that they can understand where evidence exists on any type of hard drive Instructor: Rob Lee Rob Lee is a member of ManTech's Computer Forensics and Intrusion Analysis Division that provides advanced computer forensics and intrusion operations support to the national security and intelligence communities. He enjoys working on a variety of technical projects for commercial and government clients including incident response, forensics, intrusion detection, vulnerability analysis and specialized R&D. Rob is a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy. He served in the U.S. Air Force performing intrusion detection while at the 609th Information Warfare Squadron. As a member of the Air Force Office of Special Investigations he performed network wiretaps, computer forensics and conducted computer crime intrusion investigations. Rob is certified as a SSCP and GCIH. Rob regularly assists the Honeynet Project and coauthored the bestselling book, Know Your Enemy, 2nd Edition. Education (Higher Ed and K-12), library and State and local law enforcement officials are eligible to register for a special price of $1,000. Non-education/law enforcement participants may also register for a cost of $2,895 (Secure Infragard members are eligible for a 10% discount). Registration includes the lunch meal and morning/afternoon break refreshments. Seating is limited to 150 so reserve your spot now! Register for the course at: http://sans.more.net Additional information is available at: http://sans.more.net Official SANS information on the course http://www.sans.org/sans2006/description.php?tid=205 This is a hands-on course and a laptop is required. Laptop requirements found here: http://www.sans.org/sans2006/laptop.php?tid=205 If you register for the full course, you may register to seek your GCFA Certification for an additional fee of $300.00 US. Registration will be available during the week of class. Beth Young says: We just found out that city, state and county government employees can attend this training for a $1000. That is a heck of a deal since this usually cost about $3000 and you usually have to travel to one of the coasts to get it. So, spread the word. If you are education (faculty, staff or student), government or law enforcement, the cost is $1000. Sorry, it is still $3000 if you don't fit one of those categories. BUT still a deal because you don't have to travel out of state! If you have questions, let me or Randy know. Also, spread the word to any person you think might be interested. We can't reach everybody so the more people that spread the word, the better chance we have of getting 125 people (now I sound like I am on a telethon, Help us reach our goal of 125!) :-D Beth Beth Young, CISSP youngba(a)more.net If you have further questions, please feel free to e-mail rawr(a)more.net. Randy Raw, CISSP MOREnet Manager, Network Security 3212 LeMone Industrial Blvd Columbia, MO 65201 573.882.0749 573.884.7699 fax http://www.more.net/security

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Re: New after the meeting meeting location
by John 23 Feb '06

23 Feb '06

I second that vote. That is likely the closest one to where we were at before. -----Original Message----- >From: "Christopher A. Bier" <chris.bier(a)cymor.com> >Sent: Feb 22, 2006 5:10 PM >To: kclug(a)kclug.org >Subject: New after the meeting meeting location > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Hi All, > I guess we need a new breakfast location. The Denny's on Burlington >closes today (Feb 22nd) a 2PM. This is the Denny's just north of >there on Armour/Taney. > I suggest a two week voting period following a two week nomination >period following a two week campaigning period to decide the new >location. Nominations can be sent by all members in good standing by >sending a PGP signed email to the voting committee chair. (This is a >Debian joke.) > >http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2117+TANEY+ST.,++NORTH+KANSAS+CITY,… > >Chris > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > >iD8DBQFD/O9LE5xXU3JS1mQRAt9WAKCKmzsrIobsLjfITvHYFu9EROHShACfQLm2 >IYctYinIi/hB2gtcLBUNqEM= >=Mmo9 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Kclug mailing list >Kclug(a)kclug.org >http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug

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New after the meeting meeting location
by Christopher A. Bier 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi All, I guess we need a new breakfast location. The Denny's on Burlington closes today (Feb 22nd) a 2PM. This is the Denny's just north of there on Armour/Taney. I suggest a two week voting period following a two week nomination period following a two week campaigning period to decide the new location. Nominations can be sent by all members in good standing by sending a PGP signed email to the voting committee chair. (This is a Debian joke.) http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=2117+TANEY+ST.,++NORTH+KANSAS+CITY,… Chris -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD/O9LE5xXU3JS1mQRAt9WAKCKmzsrIobsLjfITvHYFu9EROHShACfQLm2 IYctYinIi/hB2gtcLBUNqEM= =Mmo9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Metadata tagging support implemented
by Jason Clinton 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

Exciting development going on for those with too many files to keep track of: <http://www.chipx86.com/blog/?p=155> -- Jason Clinton <me(a)jasonclinton.com>

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Efforts to decouple Mozilla dependacies in Debian
by Jason Clinton 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

In the interest of interesting discussion, I saw this interesting tidbit today on a Debian developer's personal blog [1]: Debian has managed to completely decouple XUL from Mozilla suite. So you can now install things which use Gecko's rendering engine without installing the 30 MB beast along with it. Good news for Gnome. [1] http://np237.livejournal.com/6229.html -- Jason Clinton <me(a)jasonclinton.com>

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Re: proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem
by John 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

-----Original Message----- >From: Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Feb 22, 2006 2:17 AM >To: kclug(a)kclug.org >Subject: Re: proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem > >--- David Nicol <davidnicol(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 2/20/06, Leo Mauler <webgiant(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> > (incidentally, if anyone wants to come on by, >> > head to www.care2.com, set up an account, and >> > join the "Linux for Newbies" Care2 group) >> >> And how exactly will joinging the linux for >> newbies care2 group help the workers of the world >> seize the means of production > >Well, it has already been pointed out that Linux, >through being largely open source, allows "the workers >of the world to seize the means of production"... The only issue with that is it's like having too many hands in the kitchen with no Chef to supervise. Many of the projects are poorly managed, noone can put their foot down on things like terrible performance and memory usage that makes people who are used to embedded systems have knightmares. It's great to have a lot of collaboration on projects and all of the community contributing. When it comes to leading a well defined project, timelines, and tuning, thats where things fall off now. In order to vastly improve Linux in the years to come the major project will likely undergo change to better manage things. Another thing that could be mentioned is many of the projects attempt to play catch-up with MS Windows. I'd like to see more innovation inside projects that isn't trying to mimic Windows which would be less feature immitation driven. That way you could focus on writting good software instead of mimicing features, and falling behind of what MS does. They have plenty of money and very good coders to add features and make it work. Can the open source movement truely compete without being more organized? > >Technically it does, but you don't have to go out on a >limb and actually say it out loud. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >Kclug mailing list >Kclug(a)kclug.org >http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug Just some thoughts on development I have seen. Any others have experiences they could share in that realm?

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RE: proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

Whatever happened to filtering mail to a folder and deleting en masse if you were too busy to catch up? I once got about 500 mails behind on this list and just wiped em all out and considered myself officially caught up. Brian From: On Behalf Of Paul Taylor Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:19 PM To: David Nicol Cc: kclug Subject: Re: proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem Take care KCLUG members. I'm unsubscribing because I'm too busy to read even all the on-topic material. Thank you for the years of assisting me when I asked. It's appreciated! Paul

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proposed solution to signal to noise ratio problem
by Jason Clinton 22 Feb '06

22 Feb '06

After following Rick's email and looking around at MLUG, why don't we do the same thing that they have? It seems to me that kclug(a)kclug.org should be for Q&A specifically relating to Linux issues; and, quite frankly, I wouldn't give a damn how the email was formed as long as it had some _content_ that answered someone's question ... opinions, religious matters, politcs, flamewars, etc. would be moved to kclug-discussion(a)kclug.org . By looking at their mailing list archives, it seems that MLUG's application of this idea seems to have worked quite well for them... Thoughts? -- Jason Clinton <me(a)jasonclinton.com>

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