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Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis
by Justin Dugger 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

I'm currently running Ubuntu Breezy. It's fantastically simple to set up a desktop environment with, because they simply defined a virtual package "ubuntu-desktop" that pulls in a fair amount of tools you'd want. Of all the Debian based distros, I think this is one most likely to succeed in the long term, except perhaps Debian itself. Theres a repo in Ubuntu called universe that you might be interested in. Universe is a repo for porting debian unstable packages by people other than ubuntu developers. There's a group called Masters of the Universe that manage it and keep it semi working. Its possible that you'll still run into apt-pin situations should you decide that the MotU is too slow, but I havent had the need to try to run around universe yet. And since I you've asked about them, I'll also explain that multiverse is the set of packages typically found in debian's non-free, plus some they won't even distribute in there. Basically universe is the extras that nobody from ubuntu spent time porting and bringing into official "our support contracts require this be in main" repo. I don't believe security-updates affects main, although usually the motu try to keep on top of that. And multiverse is the closed source stuff like mplayer and acroreader etc that's useful but may not be legal or encouraged. Ive gone through two upgrades of Ubuntu thus far, with minimal troubles. Yes, there was a root password leak that wasn't caught until lately. However, it didnt affect me because the problem was in one of the newer installers. I'd suggest waiting perhaps a day or a week before upgrading. That way the traffic on the mirrors dies down, and the "oh shit" bugs are found. I'm told newer versions of Ubuntu are going to include an improved synaptic with an "upgrade distro" button, so you can move from Breezy to Dapper, or Dapper to Dapper+1. After the Sarge debacle, Ubuntu did a bang up job of pressuring Debian to make strides of improvement. Debian's always prided itself on being a jack of all trades and flexible -- Ubuntu stole a collection of Debian Developers and demonstrated that focusing on a single area (PC desktops) is just as valid and valuable. Justin Dugger On 4/3/06, Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO <brian.kelsay(a)kcc.usda.gov> wrote: > Who in our group is actually using these distros? I'm interested in > the ease of updating and stability after doing so compared to Mepis, HDD > installed Knoppix and regular Debian or any other Debian-based distro. > > I've tried tons of LiveCDs, used Mepis quite a bit and never had success > with plain old Debian installing as a desktop. I like Mepis out of the > box, though like any distro you find little bits that don't work or you > don't like. Mepis is switching to the Ubuntu repositories with the next > release, in order to get more stable updates. > > The point of this is, I still consider myself a Mepis user, but I'm > concerned about the quality of the Ubuntu repos if I stick with it. > Also, if I were to switch to Kubuntu, will I run into apt-pin problems > when I try to add software not included on the distro disks? That has > been a problem on Mepis with the Debian unstable repos. I tried the > 64-bit Kubuntu last week and it looks great on my newish desktop PC, but > I also wonder how it will do on a PIII-500 with lots of ram. An older > Mepis was OK on it after I turned off the flashing and bouncing > mouse-busy cursors. Haven't had the guts to try a newer Mepis or > anything else on that PC. I need a Linux with the games working for my > kids when they are over. > _______________________________________________ > Kclug mailing list > Kclug(a)kclug.org > http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >

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[Fwd: [Musical Progress]Live Webcast from Toto's on April 8]
by Jim Herrmann 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

I thought you Linux geeks might be interested in this webcast that KCLUG member Michael Morgan will be doing of my show (and my son Tommy) on April 8 from Toto's Coffeehouse. A huge thanks to my friend Michael for handling this webcast. Thanks very much Michael! Thanks also go out to Cymor a.k.a. Chris for hosting the feed. Thanks guys. This should be fun! BTW, some of my music is available under a Creative Commons license at my website listed below. Enjoy! Peace, Jim Herrmann -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Musical Progress]Live Webcast from Toto's on April 8 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:53:21 -0500 From: jim(a)musicalprogress.org To: jim(a)musicalprogress.org We are going to be doing a live audio webcast from Toto's Coffeehouse on April 8. You'll be able to listen in at one of these two web addresses starting at 7:00 p.m. on Saturday April 8, 2006. http://www.cymor.com:8000/live http://www.cymor.com:8000/live.m3u The plan is to have video available for download sometime after the show. When that is available, I will post a link here. So, if you can't make it out to the show, you can listen in from your computer, any where in the world. If you can make it to the show, please come and be a part of the live audience for this broadcast. The above message can be found here: http://jim.musicalprogress.org/Webcast04082006 You'll see it if you just go to the front page: http://jim.musicalprogress.org Peace, Jim

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RE: Timing Geek alert
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

>From my brother the math teacher: Actually it has already happened 2000 years ago in the year 6 AD. It is now 2006 so it does not quite work out. 01:02:03 04/05/06 should be 01:02:03 04/05/2006. This is the state of our mathematics. Groan, Phil Kelsay Mathematics Teacher ________________________________ From: On Behalf Of Arthur Pemberton Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:04 PM I don't get it? Am I not geek enough? On 4/4/06, David Nicol wrote: forwarded message: For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06 Bill Jaeck -- David L Nicol

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Microsoft and Malware
by Leo Mauler 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

Saw this article through a /. link. Seems Microsoft feels that people should adopt another operating system, such as Linux, which rarely has trouble with malware. I mean, "Microsoft Says Recovery from Malware Becoming Impossible [with the Windows OS]". http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1945808,00.asp __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

OK, no. You need to look on the Ubuntu forums about the media or multimedia support or wmv support or MS codec support. You will likely need to make an addition to your /etc/apt/sources.list, which is a text file that holds the list of repositories that your PC uses. You will have to make an entry for some location that has the codecs you need. http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+forum+wmv+support&start=0&ie=utf-8 &oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Yields: http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/essential-house-keeping-in-ubuntu. html Read the comments also. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jon Moss >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 10:45 AM >To: Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO >Cc: kclug >Subject: RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop > >I ran the easyubuntu script. However, I still can't play WMV >and ASF files. Should I try running the script again? > >> >> You should be able to get the windows codec package and be able to >> play those with either mplayer or VLC (Videolan.org). For >> Debian-based systems I've used a foreign repo called marillat or >> something close to that, but since you are using Ubuntu, looks like >> you should be able to get this via universe or multiverse >repository. >> Look into that easy Ubuntu install link that was sent in the >original Ubuntu thread. >> >> I tried yesterday to download the DVD.iso of Kubuntu and I got a 550 >> error, unable to change directory. I'm getting it now from the >> European mirror. >> >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:10 AM >> >>><Snip> >>> >>>I've been able to play DVDs, CDs, PowerPoints (via Impress of >>>course) and some web media (but not WMVs or ASFs). Since we don't >>>have Internet access at the church, I'm not too worried about the >>>latter. >>> >>>The DVD playback is a little choppy so I need to investigate >how much >>>RAM was "donated" with the laptop. And that may not make a >difference >>>. . . >>>may just be the age of the laptop or the norm for Totem Movie player. >>> >>><Snip> >> >>>Later, >>> >>>Jon Moss >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kclug mailing list >> Kclug(a)kclug.org >> http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug >> > > >-- >Thanks very much, > >Jon Moss >jon.moss(a)cnonline.net > > >

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TV cards
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

In relation to MythTV or Freevo, say I get a Hauppage PVR-150, http://www.spoofee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30751 , now $59 after rebate...the "125-channel cable-ready tuner" doesn't allow you to get the upper channels that you get thru digital cable. Mine goes to some large number though I don't have them all, but specifically HBO resides in the 300-312 range. Will one of these allow you to get the digital cable channels without being connected to a cable box and how do you get the upper channels?

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RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

You should be able to get the windows codec package and be able to play those with either mplayer or VLC (Videolan.org). For Debian-based systems I've used a foreign repo called marillat or something close to that, but since you are using Ubuntu, looks like you should be able to get this via universe or multiverse repository. Look into that easy Ubuntu install link that was sent in the original Ubuntu thread. I tried yesterday to download the DVD.iso of Kubuntu and I got a 550 error, unable to change directory. I'm getting it now from the European mirror. >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:10 AM ><Snip> > >I've been able to play DVDs, CDs, PowerPoints (via Impress of >course) and some web media (but not WMVs or ASFs). Since we >don't have Internet access at the church, I'm not too worried >about the latter. > >The DVD playback is a little choppy so I need to investigate >how much RAM was "donated" with the laptop. And that may not >make a difference . . . >may just be the age of the laptop or the norm for Totem Movie player. > ><Snip> >Later, > >Jon Moss >

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Fwd: Timing Geek alert
by David Nicol 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

forwarded message: For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06 Bill Jaeck -- David L Nicol Should the bike shed have bunks? Or maybe cots?

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Re: Fwd: Timing Geek alert
by mike＠handuma.com 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

It'll happen twice that day am and pm >forwarded message: > >For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: >Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and >date will be >01:02:03 04/05/06 >Bill Jaeck > >-- >David L Nicol >Should the bike shed have bunks? Or maybe cots? >_______________________________________________ >Kclug mailing list >Kclug(a)kclug.org >http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > > > http://www.handuma.com

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RE: Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

The article that got me thinking about this is here: http://www.mepis.org/node/9454 They are even raising the SimplyMepis version to 6.0 to match the Ubuntu release number. This was probably a natural progression from the DCC Alliance joining. http://www.dccalliance.org/ More below. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Bruno >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:17 AM > >Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO wrote: >> Who in our group is actually using these distros? I'm interested in >> the ease of updating and stability after doing so compared to Mepis, >> HDD installed Knoppix and regular Debian or any other >Debian-based distro. >> >> I've tried tons of LiveCDs, used Mepis quite a bit and never had >> success with plain old Debian installing as a desktop. I like Mepis >> out of the box, though like any distro you find little bits >that don't >> work or you don't like. Mepis is switching to the Ubuntu >repositories with the next release, in order to get more stable updates. >> >being no difference between ubuntu and kubuntu at all except >the default install. ( you can even have both installed even) >ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages. > >I've been using dapper drake since about the mid of Feb.. it is amazing. >Love it. Hardware just works, stuff just works, and its sweet. >I use Kubuntu, but I login to the Ubuntu gnome stuff just to >see how it is going with development. I've had no stability >problems at all, even in this beta stage. Plus, with k/ubuntu >you get a lot of software that is used but "not included" in >Debian when you enable universe and multiverse repo's as well >as backports. What are universe and multiverse repos? Does K/Ubuntu use apt-pinning? Does this interfere or limit what packages you install to them? I may have run into a similar problem that Jhutchins had with his Gentoo and the Wacom crap the other day. I try to remove some package from Mepis that I will never use. E.g. Gtkpod for ipod support, and a whole crap load of stuff is going to be removed by apt-get. Makes it hard to gain space my removing what you don't need. Or do a apt-get update and upgrade and a whole slew of stuff stops working right.

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