KCLUG March 2008

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RE: Everything Is Relative
by Gene Dascher 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

-----Original Message----- From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Thayer Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 12:57 PM To: Luke -Jr; kclug(a)kclug.org Subject: RE: Recycling subject lines saves trees (was Re: Stop editingthedamnsubject (was Re: The End Of Western Civilization(wasRe:RoadRunner nonsense (was Re: fwd: RE: STFU RE)) >> That is only true to a limited extent. You omit to consider that Islam >> is false. When taken into consideration that only one religion is in >> fact true, you will realize that heresy, as well as morality and such, >> as quite objective. >True. There is only one true religion. That would be the one that a person believes to be true. >Whatever that religion may be. Which is all relative to that person. So what about the concept of Absolute or Universal or Objective Truth? If I'm reading your statement above, you're saying that there is NO Absolute Truth. Is that a true statement?

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RE: Request to KCLUG
by Jeffrey McCright 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

Yeah, I should have specified not the kclug IRC channel. My apologies. Jeffrey A. McCright, A+, Linux+ 816-210-3107 jmccright(a)hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:23:31 -0500 > From: jldugger(a)gmail.com > To: jmccright(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Request to KCLUG > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 11:03 PM, Jeffrey McCright > <jmccright(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Please take your non-linux related discussions over to IRC or some other > > discussion board and leave the KCLUG Mail list group for linux related information. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Please don't send them to the IRC channel either. If you must send > them, please make them easily filterable, so I can get on with life > itself. > > Justin Dugger _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

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Request to KCLUG
by Jeffrey McCright 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

Please take your non-linux related discussions over to IRC or some other discussion board and leave the KCLUG Mail group linux related information. Thank you. Jeffrey A. McCright, A+, Linux+ 816-210-3107 jmccright(a)hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail®-get your "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx

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I have a simple request
by Earle Beason 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

I subscribed to learn about Linux, hopeful pick up tips and tricks here and there as LINUX was being discussed. If the Linux user Group becomes a RFG, (religious fighting group). would some one have the decency to point me to another group and I will shut the door quietly on my way over

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Suggestions for Linux group
by Kyle Sexton 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

All, I'm looking for a group/mailing[1] list in the Kansas City area that focuses on discussing Linux related topics. If anyone knows of one please let me know. Footnotes: [1] Start your sarcasm detectors -- Thanks, Kyle Sexton

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Re: Suggestions for Linux group
by Jeffrey Watts 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Sorry about that, you picked a bad day to visit the site as I was in the middle of upgrading that mirror set from 160gb to 750gb, and was having fun with a bad drive. The site's up again, though running on a degraded mirror until Newegg's RMA process can get me a new drive. The mailing list doesn't run on that site, only the (out of date) website. That said, KULUA's certainly not as busy as KCLUG. We don't do meetings and socials like we used to, but our mailing list is still active and we stay on-topic for the most part. I certainly don't want to get into any kind of dumb "KULUA vs KCLUG" debate however, as I think arguing about that kind of stuff is dumb, and there's always room for more Linux and Unix groups. However, I will say that it's pretty amazing that you could have a flamewar about both Hitler AND Catholicism at the same time. That's impressive. :) We use Google Groups, membership is moderated, and recruiters and people without local ties aren't approved. This keeps the spam down. I rarely have to moderate anything on KULUA's list, but rest assured if we start hearing about the Pope or Hitler, I'll wear my fascist hat and wield my ban-stick. ;) Have fun in whatever you guys do, and hello to the folks I know on this list. :) Jeffrey. Kyle Wrote: > So long, and thanks for all the fish. I looked at the last 10 topics on > the kulua/www.kulua.org list (their webserver finally came back up) > and they are much more focused: -- "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine

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Re: Recycling subject lines saves trees (was Re:Stopeditingthedamnsubject (was Re: The EndOfWesternCivilization (wasRe:RoadRunnernonsense(wasRe: fwd: RE: STFU RE))
by Luke -Jr 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

On Wednesday 12 March 2008, you wrote: > I enjoy discussing this with you and want to continue but I think we > need to take it off the LUG mailing list. O.K. Does KCLUG have an off-topic mailing list? Or I suppose someone can throw up a temporary per-thread list... either way, if anyone else cares to continue this thread, let me know so your email is included in whatever kind of list is made. > > I'm not overly familiar with Islam, but the most obvious heresy would be > > that they deny Our Lord's divinity. > > For the record Islam does believe in the divinity of Christ and the > immaculate conception. Where they differ from Christianity is that they > feel that God would not have allowed his Son to suffer the way he did on > the cross. They believe that he ascended to heaven before suffering and > dying on the cross and that the human vessel that God's Son inhabited on > earth was crucified. Granted, this is a MAJOR point of difference > between the two religions, but it still makes Islam the closest religion > to Christianity than any other religion. I mean the Jewish religion > doesn't even look at Christ as being the Son of God and believe nothing > of the New Testament. I suspect some forms of Protestantism are closer to Christianity than Islam, but "closeness" doesn't matter much in the big picture so long as they persist in denying God's doctrine. > > Protestantism was founded by men. The Catholic Church was> founded by God > > Himself, and He guaranteed it would never teach error or mandate evil. > > I think the Catholic church was founded by the followers of Christ's > disciples sometime about 300+ years after the death of Christ. I didn't > think it was founded by Christ himself. Matt 16:18, Our Lord appoints St. Peter to be the first pope and promises that that Satan will never at any time prevail over the Church. Mark 16:15, Christ gives the Church a mandate to teach the world, and makes mention of signs to identify His Church (for example, only Catholics can cast our demons) Acts 2, Christ sends the Holy Ghost to the apostles, making them the Church's first Bishops. Acts 15:1, The first council (the Council of Jerusalem) addresses the first heresy (Judaizers), and eventually St. Peter uses his papal authority, accepted by all present, to give a final resolution. > > If you say Jesus is not God, and I say He is, both of us > > cannot be right. > > I never said that Jesus was not God. It was an example. > > I follow the Church He founded, protects, and guides. The teachings of the > > Catholic Church are inerrant on matters of faith and morals. > > But the Catholic Church is run by human beings not by God. Human beings > are not infallible, God is. The Catholic Church has Christ as its Head, and is guided and protected by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost prevents men from teaching or mandating error on a Church-wide level. For example, if a pope were inclined to mandate sin upon all Catholics, if there were no other way to stop him from doing so, God would strike him dead before he had done so.

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Linux Question
by Greg Lawson 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

I have a fairly new SLES 10.0 OS running on a Sun x2100 box, which replaced a RH 8.0/Dell server, (which worked absolutely great). Both servers do/did the same basic functions-file server/SAMBA and very little else. One problem on my new server however, is that all the logins/logoffs on XP clients at a remote branch (connected via VPN to main branch-different subnet) take extremely long (4-15 minutes!) to load/save user settings. With the RH server there were no delays like this. I suspect a NetBIOS issue, but have that enabled in smb.conf on the new server (pretty much config same as the old smb.conf). Any suggestions? Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 1912 N. Belt Highway St. Joseph, MO 64506

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Question for other gmail users (filtering out emails by sender)
by feba thatl 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Anyone know of a way to use gmail's filter system to filter out emails from someone without filtering an entire thread? For example, using filter "from:moran@holyshithowdidhegetintocollege.edu" would also block any thread that person had replied to, or significant amounts of it anyway. Is there any way to use it to only block their specific emails, but keep the rest of the thread intact?

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Re: religion?
by Arthur Pemberton 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Craig Aldinger <gonzogone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ubuntu seems to work for my (admittedly) mundane daily needs, have not As well I expect it would. > messed w/ Fedora as yet but am always open to something new. I wouldn't suggest you switch unless there are some significant things with Ubuntu that you no longer like. > And, yes, thanks for backing me about the religious horse-puckey on a Linux > website. I have other places I can vent my spleen regarding religion - I > also have some very strong opinions but, this forum is not the place to air > them. Agreed. And in case anyone needs another topic more related to this list than religion, this dude just top posted. Beat him to a pulp over it if you wish. Peace to all. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )

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