KCLUG April 2006

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by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

In relation to MythTV or Freevo, say I get a Hauppage PVR-150, http://www.spoofee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30751 , now $59 after rebate...the "125-channel cable-ready tuner" doesn't allow you to get the upper channels that you get thru digital cable. Mine goes to some large number though I don't have them all, but specifically HBO resides in the 300-312 range. Will one of these allow you to get the digital cable channels without being connected to a cable box and how do you get the upper channels?

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RE: Update on Ubuntu and my Church Laptop
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

You should be able to get the windows codec package and be able to play those with either mplayer or VLC (Videolan.org). For Debian-based systems I've used a foreign repo called marillat or something close to that, but since you are using Ubuntu, looks like you should be able to get this via universe or multiverse repository. Look into that easy Ubuntu install link that was sent in the original Ubuntu thread. I tried yesterday to download the DVD.iso of Kubuntu and I got a 550 error, unable to change directory. I'm getting it now from the European mirror. >-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of Jon Moss >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:10 AM ><Snip> > >I've been able to play DVDs, CDs, PowerPoints (via Impress of >course) and some web media (but not WMVs or ASFs). Since we >don't have Internet access at the church, I'm not too worried >about the latter. > >The DVD playback is a little choppy so I need to investigate >how much RAM was "donated" with the laptop. And that may not >make a difference . . . >may just be the age of the laptop or the norm for Totem Movie player. > ><Snip> >Later, > >Jon Moss >

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Fwd: Timing Geek alert
by David Nicol 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

forwarded message: For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and date will be 01:02:03 04/05/06 Bill Jaeck -- David L Nicol Should the bike shed have bunks? Or maybe cots?

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Re: Fwd: Timing Geek alert
by mike＠handuma.com 05 Apr '06

05 Apr '06

It'll happen twice that day am and pm >forwarded message: > >For those of you who like to have your time lined up like ducks in a row: >Wednesday at two minutes and three seconds after 1:00AM, the time and >date will be >01:02:03 04/05/06 >Bill Jaeck > >-- >David L Nicol >Should the bike shed have bunks? Or maybe cots? >_______________________________________________ >Kclug mailing list >Kclug(a)kclug.org >http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug > > > http://www.handuma.com

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RE: Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

The article that got me thinking about this is here: http://www.mepis.org/node/9454 They are even raising the SimplyMepis version to 6.0 to match the Ubuntu release number. This was probably a natural progression from the DCC Alliance joining. http://www.dccalliance.org/ More below. >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Bruno >Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 8:17 AM > >Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO wrote: >> Who in our group is actually using these distros? I'm interested in >> the ease of updating and stability after doing so compared to Mepis, >> HDD installed Knoppix and regular Debian or any other >Debian-based distro. >> >> I've tried tons of LiveCDs, used Mepis quite a bit and never had >> success with plain old Debian installing as a desktop. I like Mepis >> out of the box, though like any distro you find little bits >that don't >> work or you don't like. Mepis is switching to the Ubuntu >repositories with the next release, in order to get more stable updates. >> >being no difference between ubuntu and kubuntu at all except >the default install. ( you can even have both installed even) >ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop packages. > >I've been using dapper drake since about the mid of Feb.. it is amazing. >Love it. Hardware just works, stuff just works, and its sweet. >I use Kubuntu, but I login to the Ubuntu gnome stuff just to >see how it is going with development. I've had no stability >problems at all, even in this beta stage. Plus, with k/ubuntu >you get a lot of software that is used but "not included" in >Debian when you enable universe and multiverse repo's as well >as backports. What are universe and multiverse repos? Does K/Ubuntu use apt-pinning? Does this interfere or limit what packages you install to them? I may have run into a similar problem that Jhutchins had with his Gentoo and the Wacom crap the other day. I try to remove some package from Mepis that I will never use. E.g. Gtkpod for ipod support, and a whole crap load of stuff is going to be removed by apt-get. Makes it hard to gain space my removing what you don't need. Or do a apt-get update and upgrade and a whole slew of stuff stops working right.

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Fwd: Laptop for Church - Which Distro
by Arthur Pemberton 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

On 4/3/06, Jason D. Clinton <me(a)jasonclinton.com> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 21:19 -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote: > > - Fedora comes with both Gnome and KDE (I prefer and use the later) > > > KDE is a second class citizen in Fedora, but okay. > I support that statement. However, besides everyone I know personally who uses Fedora, Linux uses KDE on Fedora. So KDE isn't that badly off in the Fedora world. - Supposedly the Gnome desktop comes with some killer Mono apps, I am not > ure of this. > > > Yea, it does (I agregate a few Fedora developer blogs). All distros do. > Fedora has nothing unique to it with regard to Gnome other than its theme. > I agree with you there also. Wasn't impling otherwise. - Fedora comes with a package manager, arguably not the best, but it does > use RPM for its packaging, and any and all package managers that handle RPMs > will work on Fedora, and many infact are already packaged for Fedora. For > interface, Fedora uses yum (console app) and has many available GUIs > packaged for Yum ( I do not use one myself, no need) > > > Erm, no. Yum is a third party development which was originally designed > for Yellow Dog. Yum is also a second class citizen in Fedora and only works > because someone maintains a Yum repository with the latest Fedora sources in > it. In fact, if you were to use the built-in package manager and then use > Yum, the results would be undefined. > Yum is the suggested, and primary method of software installtion and management for Fedora: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAQ#head-eeb72f8986226805f39306991a88c2848d80… Yum is a 1st class citizen, to use your metaphor. It works because that is the main (only ?) method of package distribution for Fedora. The built in package manager is Yum, or are you refering to the little GUI tool that allows you uninstall/install things that are on the CD media. The title of the window it brings up is a tad deceiving, the only packages that manages are what come from the install media. The result of using both are wholly predictable: no problem. And you can't just wave your hands and say that package dependency problems > don't happen; > Well it was more like moving my fingers across the keyboard. And the only time I hear of that happening these days is when people use 3rd party epos that are known to conflict with each other. As it is, I have nine third party repos setup with my yum. I only use 4 of them. (in addition to the Fedora repos themsevles) when you introduce third party RPMS, they do. And sometimes they can be a > real bitch to fix -- without a nice dep. resolver like yum, you could get a > real headache. > Very much agreed. Which is why I asked whether there was an 'official' way dealing with it but > I gather, now, that there isn't. > Well you are free to ignore me telling you that yum is the package manager used by Fedora. - last I remember, it took 5 third party RPMS , all installed via Yum to > give me full multimedia support, infact I think I have that in a bash script > somewhere. > > > Unless one of those RPM's contains more than one of the following and does > a 'provides' so that they appear to be installed to other packages: > > Sun Java > Macromedia Flash > Nvidia/ATI driver > Ndiswrapper > Xvid > FFMPEG > x264 > lame/mad/mpg12321 > rte > libdvdcss > libavcodec > faad/faac > [a gstreamer binding to each of the above, usually each a seperate > package] > etc. etc. > I forgot to consider Flash the first time, but I would stil stick to my original estimate. Also, didn't consider Java at all, not the proprietary binaries as least. I have them installed, but that was too long ago to remember details except that I followed some simple instructions from one of the Fedora websites. Right now my Fedora handles more codecs than the last few Windows XP i have used. MytvTV is also fun. - I might be ignorant on the installer options, what options did you need > that were missing? I haven't ran into such a lack there of, but that is just > me, my needs may be different from yours. > > > Based on the FC5 screen shots on OSDir it appears that most of the options > are now available versus what I experience with the 4.92 preview release. > I think it was 4.93 that I installed, can't say that there was anything noticeable missing. - Two unique aspect of Fedora I would regard as: 1) Built in SELinux support > (great for servers) , 2) system-config tools good for mid level users and > quick configuring > > > SELinux is nice, yes, I missed that. Where are these system-config tools > you speak of? > Nice little (most PyGTK based) configuration apps: system-config-bind system-config-boot system-config-control system-config-date system-config-display system-config-httpd system-config-keyboard system-config-language system-config-kickstart system-config-lvm system-config-mouse system-config-netboot system-config-network system-config-network-tui system-config-nfs system-config-packages system-config-printer system-config-printer-gui system-config-rootpassword system-config-samba system-config-securitylevel system-config-securitylevel-tui system-config-services system-config-soundcard system-config-users - Most of the dues go to the actual software, but FC has been a more than > adequate desktop OS for me since FC3 (when I put away Windows for it) > > > I sure that it has but probably mostly because KDE does what you want it > to do; not really Fedora's work at all. > I do not disagree with this. But isn't that part of the definition of the distro? Most of the software on any real Linux distro is available to any other distro. I like Fedora because I started with RedHat 8.0 and It has always been better than enough for me. And I generally like the community around it also. -- > Jason D. Clinton <me(a)jasonclinton.com> > -- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins. -- As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.

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Ubuntu and Kubuntu vs. Mepis
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

Who in our group is actually using these distros? I'm interested in the ease of updating and stability after doing so compared to Mepis, HDD installed Knoppix and regular Debian or any other Debian-based distro. I've tried tons of LiveCDs, used Mepis quite a bit and never had success with plain old Debian installing as a desktop. I like Mepis out of the box, though like any distro you find little bits that don't work or you don't like. Mepis is switching to the Ubuntu repositories with the next release, in order to get more stable updates. The point of this is, I still consider myself a Mepis user, but I'm concerned about the quality of the Ubuntu repos if I stick with it. Also, if I were to switch to Kubuntu, will I run into apt-pin problems when I try to add software not included on the distro disks? That has been a problem on Mepis with the Debian unstable repos. I tried the 64-bit Kubuntu last week and it looks great on my newish desktop PC, but I also wonder how it will do on a PIII-500 with lots of ram. An older Mepis was OK on it after I turned off the flashing and bouncing mouse-busy cursors. Haven't had the guts to try a newer Mepis or anything else on that PC. I need a Linux with the games working for my kids when they are over.

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Re: Laptop for Church - Which Distro
by Arthur Pemberton 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

On 4/3/06, Jon Moss <jon.moss(a)cnonline.net> wrote: > > And that's what my pastor wants but we don't have the budget to buy a copy > of Windows XP. He was even trying to get me to purchase XP Home Edition > and I balked at that one. > > Thanks for the advice - Jon > Sorry for replying directly dude. Whatever you do, do not install XP Home volunteerily. Possibly one of the commercial Linux distros will have the level of ease of use a and multimedia you desire. But to be quite frank, the only thing I have found lacking in an properly configured/setup Fedora Core is midi support. And maybe I just didn't give it much attention (had no real need for it) _ As a boy I jumped through Windows, as a man I play with Penguins.

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Laptop for Church - Which Distro
by Jon Moss 03 Apr '06

03 Apr '06

I recently got my employer to donate a laptop to my church. However, our policy is to wipe the hard drives of all computers and laptop before they leave the firm. So, I need an operating system (Linux of course comes to mind first). However, at church we want to use this as our multi-media laptop hooked up to a projector during worship. So it needs good sound and video. I'm partial to Fedora Core (and version 5 was released a few days ago), but it can be limiting when it comes to mainstream multimedia. Do you have any suggestions for a more user-friendly multimedia distro that works well on a laptop? -- Thanks very much, Jon Moss jon.moss(a)cnonline.net -- Thanks very much, Jon Moss jon.moss(a)cnonline.net

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