KCLUG November 2006

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RE: Re: KCLUG subdivisions
by Phil Thayer 06 Nov '06

06 Nov '06

I have only been to one meeting but my company is moving to a permanent location at Cambridge Circle sometime around the first of the year. Plenty of parking. No stairs. Conference room with network connections. I could talk to my boss about possibly hosting the meetings there. Phillip C. Thayer Sales Engineer, HP-UX/ HP-OpenVMS CSE Vital Support Systems 2300 Main St. Suite 900 Kansas City, MO 64108 (816) 448-3590 - Desk (816) 985-0799 - Cell ________________________________ From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Steven Hildreth Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 3:46 PM To: Jonathan Hutchins Cc: KCLUG (E-mail) Subject: Re: Re: KCLUG subdivisions Actually the parking in the garage after 17:00 is a $2 fee (not per hour, a total of $2). I however would agree it would be handy to have a meeting in a facility that was more accessible for users that would like to bring in hardware (the library room is on the 3rd floor in a conference room type room with limited power and network jacks). Dragging a CPU/Keyboard/Mouse/CRT Monitor can become a challenge. Just my two cents... Regards, Steven On 11/6/06, Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins(a)tarcanfel.org > wrote: I think if the meetings moved around, we'd probably get more people attending over-all. I know I don't want to deal with $7/hr parking downtown to meet in the glided and book-less library, but I did make it to a meeting when they were at the FOSS training center on State Line.

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Re: KCLUG subdivisions
by cragos＠gmail.com 06 Nov '06

06 Nov '06

I'm obviously not affected by directly by the discussions about where to meet, but, as an outsider that relies on the mailing list and Freenode, I'd hate to see anything break up the LUG outside of the physical meetings. That said, the notion of announcing small meetings on Meetup.com and of rotating KCLUG meeting locations seems more sensible than creating daughter LUGs, given the size of the current LUG and the relatively short distance from one end of the KC metro to the other (compared with Chicago, Houston, LA, DC, NYC, and the like - Even the drive from Liberty to Overland Park is only ~30 miles, according to Google). -Sean Crago/MrZaius

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KCLUG subdivisions
by Luke-Jr 06 Nov '06

06 Nov '06

Because I have decided not to attend KCLUG meetings due to the impracticality of locating the library (let alone parking near it), and because others in #kclug expressed some interest, I propose we consider splitting KCLUG into subdivisions. KCLUG as a whole would continue to share a single set of mailing lists, IRC channels, etc, but meetings and real-world events may be divided into regions. A few guys seemed interested in an Overland Park subdivision/region (which would meet in O.P.)-- anyone interested in also starting a Northland subdivision?

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FS: DEC OVMS keyboard LK450-AA
by Jon Pruente 04 Nov '06

04 Nov '06

I have a DEC OVMS keyboard for sale or trade. This is used with a PC and a (good) term program to connect to DEC/Compaq/HP VMS systems. If you run the right software it will use all the correct mapping for the many special keys on the board, and I've found some people have created X key modmaps for Linux for these. MODEL NO.: LK450-AA REV. NO.: A06 M/N: 108RX33S-80E FCC ID: A09-LK450 I'll take offers to buy it, or offers to trade for various Mac/PC computer hardware. Thanks, Jon.

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RE: KCLUG subdivisions
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

>-----Original Message----- >From: On Behalf Of lerninlinux >> > especially with ILUG (independence) and WLUG (westport) already in >> > existence... lets see who-all uses the Combined Greater KC Geek >> > Calendar resource at > >> Wait, there's an ILUG? I've lived in Indep. for 5 years, and Lee's >> Summit for a very long time before that. I never heard of >it before. Huh. >> >> Jon. > > >I thought Ilug was defunct? There website disappeared long >time ago, just about when my schedule would have allowed me to attend. > They used to meet at Vatterott, by Chiefs Stadium. I went to a few meetings. There were about 5-6 people.

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OT: Paid Canvassing Opportunities
by Jim Herrmann 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

If you could use some extra cash, and you don't mind walking and knocking on doors, and you would really like to send Jim "no" Talent home, then I have a deal for you. Contact me off-list, and I'll give you the contact information. Peace, Jim

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Novell Announcment
by Jared Jennings 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

Did anyone see this? " Today, Microsoft and Novell announced an historic new initiative. Important primarily because it means a lot to the communities we serve. Most notably, our customers. (See full press release). Let me begin by quickly outlining what we just announced. Microsoft and Novell, starting today, have agreed to build and market solutions so that Novell's technology works on Microsoft and vice versa. Specifically, customers will now be able to run virtualized SUSE Linux Enterprise on Windows or Windows on SUSE Linux Enterprise. This landmark agreement also calls for both Microsoft and Novell to provide patent coverage to each others' customers for our respective products. Why is that important? It's important because you shouldn't have to spend a lot of time worrying about legal matters around which operating system to choose. You also shouldn't have to worry about barriers such as intellectual property agreements, who owns which patent portfolio, and indemnification. None of those issues move your business forward. Now many of those barriers have been removed. I am also proud that earlier today Novell and Microsoft demonstrated, by our words and actions, that we can work together for the mutual benefit of our customers. Steve Ballmer, Microsoft's CEO, was very passionate and genuine in his support for this agreement. He spoke about how it will help our customers leverage both the Microsoft Windows platform as well as our SUSE Linux Enterprise platform. He mentioned how it will give customers like you choice and flexibility in building their technology environment. Choice and flexibility, something our customers often complain are in short supply. We're determined to change that. I'd like to build on what Steve said, and today I had the opportunity to make some of these points in person to the assembled press, analysts and industry experts. This agreement between us and Microsoft is a key cornerstone to our overall Novell promise to deliver the open enterprise to you, our customers. One where we can leverage a mixed environment- with open source and open standards based software- on your behalf. It's an agreement that will accelerate Novell's stated goal of helping you reduce cost, manage complexity and mitigate risk. I titled this a landmark announcement, and I truly believe it is. Transformational in its scope and important to us and our customers on a number of levels. You may wonder how this changes our relationship with Microsoft. It's no secret we've competed with them in the past. And we still will. However, it's also important for us all to remind ourselves that all organizations, particularly in our industry, need to adapt and change. Further, for whatever differences we've had with Microsoft over the years, we actually share a number of the same values. A strong belief in building customer solutions, and an unwavering belief in the power of technology and innovation. And now, with this announcement, the ability for you to deploy the applications you want on the operating system of your choice for a total solution. All in a way that best fits your business needs. This is the beginning of a new and exciting chapter for Novell. We know you want technology that features interoperability, choice, flexibility, and sustainability. We know you like to see your vendors working together on YOUR behalf. In fact, that is what this Microsoft/Novell agreement is all about. Working together to do a better job for you. I'm truly excited about this transformational announcement. The payoff will be better results where it counts most. On helping you grow and innovate, and in turn delivering on your promise to the communities you serve. Best regards, Ron Hovsepian CEO, Novell " -- Jared L Jennings, CNE, CLE Data Technique, Inc. 620.235.1000

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Asking your thoughts on wireless connection problem.
by RtX 03 Nov '06

03 Nov '06

I have a nice new Acer Laptop. Please don't flame, it was a great deal. I'm dual-booting the machine, Windows for a few online games, Linux (Kubuntu 6.10 64-bit) for everything else. I have a working USB Wireless Adapter based on the rt73 (RaLink) chip. While testing some other distro possibilities, I have had this rt73 adapter working using ndiswrapper and 32-bit Linux. For those who may not know, Kubuntu 6.10 Etch is a KDE desktop, has a modular kernel version 2.6.17 and is Debian based. I have searched the internet for quite some time now trying different things to fix this problem to no avail. So, I'm putting it out to you all for assistance in getting over this little hump. A walk through: Plug in the rt73. Output from /var/log/messages. Nov 1 20:37:05 Acer5040 kernel: [ 104.448248] usb 3-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 Nov 1 20:37:06 Acer5040 kernel: [ 104.568800] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Nov 1 20:37:06 Acer5040 kernel: [ 104.703490] Loading module: rt73usb - CVS (N/A) by http://rt2x00.s erialmonkey.com. Nov 1 20:37:06 Acer5040 kernel: [ 104.805723] usbcore: registered new driver rt73usb All seems good. Now I run kdesu wlassistant from konsole to monitor stdout. kbuildsycoca running... Loaded application options. DHCP Client: dhclient All executables found. iwconfig_status: /sbin/iwconfig ==>stderr: lo no wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. sit0 no wireless extensions. Wireless interface(s): wmaster0, wlan0 Permissions checked. ifconfig_status: /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 ifup: /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up scan: /sbin/iwlist wlan0 scan Networks found: 2 Checking for active connection. Trying to get gateway address... ...from /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases Gateway address: 192.168.0.1 All seems good as I now have 2 wireless networks found with 5-star quality, one of which is mine!?! My wireless is a simple open 64-bit WEP on channel 7. After setting the settings (creating a profile) for my network, and clicking connect this is the output: ACTION: CONNECT. kill_dhcp: /sbin/dhclient -r wlan0 ==>stderr: There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5171 killed old client process, removed PID file Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4 Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please vi sit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:14:78:79:22:f0 Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:14:78:79:22:f0 Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPRELEASE on wlan0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67 ifup: /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 up iwconfig_set: /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 mode managed channel 2.442 G key open XXXXXXXXXX essid Unes ==>stderr: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Device or resource busy. iwconfig_ap: /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:13:46:16:9C:2C ifconfig_dhcp: /sbin/dhclient -q wlan0 ==>stderr: There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5798864 kill_dhcp: /sbin/dhclient -r wlan0 ==>stderr: There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5798864 Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client V3.0.4 Copyright 2004-2006 Internet Systems Consortium. All rights reserved. For info, please visit http://www.isc.org/sw/dhcp/ wmaster0 : unknown hardware address type 801 wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801 Listening on LPF/wlan0/00:14:78:79:22:f0 Sending on LPF/wlan0/00:14:78:79:22:f0 Sending on Socket/fallback DHCPRELEASE on wlan0 to 192.168.0.1 port 67 CONNECTION FAILED. Checking for active connection. Trying to get gateway address... ...from /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.leases Gateway address: 192.168.0.1 Everything seems good until dhclient -q wlan0. Watching the light activity on the adapter, I feel that the rt73 is sending logon data and passing but then hangs when running dhclient and trying to aquire an IP. And then this line: ==>stderr: There is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.pid with pid 5798864 What's wrong with dhclient? I would rule out driver but it scans fine, seems to try and talk with the router. I would rule out dhclient but seems to work fine with eth0 both auto and from the command line. Also, noone else seems to have this problem - lol. I've Googled so many "buzz phrases" trying to solve this problem and the results are very few. What are your thoughts? -- RtX... Ty Unes - Overland Park, Ks riverty(a)gmail.com

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Re: KCLUG subdivisions
by lerninlinux＠comcast.net 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

> > especially with ILUG (independence) and WLUG (westport) already in > > existence... lets see who-all uses the Combined Greater KC Geek Calendar > > resource at > Wait, there's an ILUG? I've lived in Indep. for 5 years, and Lee's Summit > for a very long time before that. I never heard of it before. Huh. > > Jon. I thought Ilug was defunct? There website disappeared long time ago, just about when my schedule would have allowed me to attend.

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Open Helpdesk level one position
by Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

If anyone is interested in a Helpdesk level one position, I know a place that is looking to hire someone by the 1st of December. I don't know the specifics, but some people that are higher up were let go and there is some other shaking up going on. It is a very good company with a strong core business. They've been in KC for around 80 years. Let me know if you are interested and I'll send you the contact info. Brian

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KCLUG November 2006