KCLUG August 2004

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RE: HD maker makes a Linux HD
by Garrett Goebel 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Jonathan Hutchins wrote: > On Friday 27 August 2004 06:43 pm, Brian Kelsay wrote: > > > BUT, I have only done it w/ DamnSmall and with a boot floppy that > > hands off to the USB stick. My old stuff won't boot to USB on its > > own. Just like some CD-ROM drives won't boot an OS, older hardware is > > not able to boot to USB. One year old stuff can though. > > It depends on the BIOS. Some of the boarderline stuff can > be persuaded to boot to newer devices given a flash upgrade. Legacy floppy emulation depends on BIOS. Booting a USB drive as an ATA device requires hardware support. I've forgotten exactly what controller, but I remember talking to Toshiba and asking if it would be possible to add support with a flash upgrade, and the answer was no, the hardware didn't support it. And this on a less than 6 month old laptop. -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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Paradigm shift in Security?
by Greg Kedrovsky 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

Got this from my Dad this morning (Monday, 30Aug04). Seems like it would be a MASSIVE resource hog... but, you gotta admit that the idea sounds interesting. *********************************************************************** GAMLA: NEWS AND VIEWS FROM ISRAEL *********************************************************************** Volume 5 Issue 34 Jerusalem, Israel 12 Alul, 5764 * * August 29, 2004 Inside: 1. GOOD NEWS ISRAEL: Revolutionizing PC Security 2. <snip> 3. <snip> ======================================================================= GAMLA HOMEPAGE: http://www.gamla.org.il/english SUBSCRIBE TO THIS NEWSLETTER : http://www.gamla.org.il/english/sub.htm ======================================================================= =========================================================================== NOTE: If you would like to be a "corporate" or "private" sponsor of this newsletter - email: sponsor(a)gamla.org.il =========================================================================== ================ GOOD NEWS ISRAEL ================ Revolutionizing PC Security *************************** Israeli start-up SecureOL has developed ground-breaking technology that provides an online security solution for PCs that protects against any form of attack, whether a virus, worm, Trojan horse or malicious code - all without having to constantly defend against new virus mutations. In addition, SecureOL's technology can provide complete protection from intellectual property theft, fraud, cyber crime and cyber terrorism. SecureOL's technology essentially isolates the virus or other hostile program automatically in its own "environment", separate from the other programs running on the PC, where it executes itself without causing any damage. Pioneering the concept of "Security by Virtualization", SecureOL's innovative approach segregates each running program from the others, as if each is running on a separate computer. The user is oblivious to the product's operation, which functions in the background, as each virtual environment operates simultaneously, without interference from the other environments and without harming the PC. The company claims that its platform "will set a new world standard for computer security" in that it completely shifts the paradigm of PC security from upgrading defenses to neutralizing the dangers altogether. SecureOL has already introduced its first product to market - VE2 , which is being marketed in Israel by DataSec, one of Israel's largest IT service companies. SecureOL is in the final stages of its incubation at the Mofet B'Yehuda Technological Incubator in the Kiryat Arba region. [end] -Greg -- Mutt 1.4.1i on Slackware 9.1 Linux Tres Ríos & San Jose, Costa Rica Personal Site: www.greg-and-sue.com Church Site: www.iglesia-del-este.com Conexion Site: www.extreme-service.com When I hear somebody sigh, "Life is hard," I am always tempted to ask, "Compared to what?" - Syndey J. Harris

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RE: OT: Any c++ win32 or mfc programmers here? (speech control ju kebox app.)
by Garrett Goebel 30 Aug '04

30 Aug '04

jeffslists wrote: > > Right now I have a simple speech application which compiles as a > dialog-based application. I have no idea how to send output to the > console from a dialog-based app. For now I've resorted to sending > output to an edit box. (Sending output to the edit box was much more > complicated than I expected. I spent two hours trying to figure out > just how to automatically scroll the damn thing.) > > I would rather send trace output to the console/stdout than use an > edit box. I could create a new project in MS VC 6.0 as a console > based application, which would give me easy access to the console, but I do > not know windows programming well enough to restructure the speech app . > > Here is a link to the app. I am working with: > *SAPI 5.0 Tutorial I: An Introduction to SAPI* > <http://www.generation5.org/content/2001/sr00.asp> > > Is there anyone here who can give me hand? Gerald's reply reminded me that I'd faced the same issue using Rational Visual Test. There were 2 ways I found to get access to a console from a dialog based app. You can create a named pipe wrapper. See the following article: http://www.codeguru.com/console/dualmode.html Or you could go down the AllocConsole route as Gerald mentioned. Here's a cut of proof of concept code I used in Visual Test Basic which illustrates that route: 'winbase.h macro STD_INPUT_HANDLE = -10 macro STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE = -11 macro STD_ERROR_HANDLE = -12 macro FILE_TYPE_UNKNOWN = &h0000 macro FILE_TYPE_DISK = &h0001 macro FILE_TYPE_CHAR = &h0002 macro FILE_TYPE_PIPE = &h0003 macro FILE_TYPE_REMOTE = &h8000 declare function AllocConsole% lib "kernel32.dll" () declare function FreeConsole% lib "kernel32.dll" () declare function GetStdHandle& lib "kernel32.dll" (hStd&) ' STD_?_HANDLE, ? = INPUT, OUTPUT, or ERROR declare function GetFileType& lib "kernel32.dll" (osfHandle&) declare function WriteFile& lib "kernel32.dll" (hFile&, szWriteBuffer$, sizeWriteBuffer&, ytesWritten as pointer to long, overlap as pointer to long) declare function CreateProcess& lib "kernel32.dll" alias "CreateProcessA" (lpApplicationName$, lpCommandLine$, lpProcessAttributes as SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES, lpThreadAttributes as SECURITY_ATTRIBUTES, bInheritHandles&, dwCreationFlags&, lpEnvironment as any, lpCurrentDirectory$, lpStartupInfo as STARTUPINFOA, lpProcessInformation as PROCESS_INFORMATION) declare function CloseHandle lib "kernel32.dll" (hObject as long) as long macro CRLF = chr(10) + chr(13) macro NORMAL_PRIORITY_CLASS = &H00000020 type PROCESS_INFORMATION ' The PROCESS_INFO structure is used by hProcess as long ' the CreateProcessA function to return hThread as long ' information about the newly created process dwProcessId as long ' The two handles that are returned in this dwThreadId as long ' structure are open handles to the new end type ' process and its primary thread type STARTUPINFOA ' The STARTUPINFOA structure allows cb as long ' the CreateProcessA function to control lpReserved as long ' many aspects of the creation process lpDesktop as long lpTitle as long dwX as long dwY as long dwXSize as long dwYSize as long dwXCountChars as long dwYCountChars as long dwFillAttribute as long dwFlags as long wShowWindow as short cbReserved2 as short lpReserved2 as long hStdInput as long hStdOutput as long hStdError as long end type dim osfSTDOUT&, text$, pi as PROCESS_INFORMATION, si as STARTUPINFOA const STATEMENT$ = "How am I doing?" + chr(10) + chr(13) AllocConsole osfSTDOUT = GetStdHandle(STD_OUTPUT_HANDLE) if FILE_TYPE_CHAR = GetFileType(osfSTDOUT) then WriteFile(osfSTDOUT, STATEMENT, len(STATEMENT), Null, Null) sleep 3 CreateProcess(null, "c:\winnt\system32\cmd.exe", null, null, FALSE, _ NORMAL_PRIORITY_CLASS, 0, "C:\.", si, pi) sleep 10 endif CloseHandle(pi.hProcess) CloseHandle(pi.hThread) FreeConsole -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com

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Re: backups to cd and other disks and maintaining file attribs
by Jonathan Hutchins 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

On Sunday 29 August 2004 06:25 pm, Dustin Decker wrote: > > Anyway, he cited DVD-RAM, Magneto-Optical devices and > > compared them to the CD/DVD RW discs for their superior durability. > > What do these devices cost these days, Jason? How about the > > media for them? > These are generally a bit more expensive. Than what? > If you can afford to go USB or Firewire with a > pair of external drives you can rotate through (at around $300.00 - $500.00 > each depending on what you buy and where) you might find yourself in better > shape. 120-160G USB/FireWire drives are down under $200 now, with USB-only cheaper still. > Again, can't really speak on these, but I expect they're doing their own > proprietary format on a regular 4.7GB piece of media. Like I said, the size indicates they'd be double-sided, so it's just a question of whether they're bragging that you can use a double-sided disk and turn it over, or if they actually have dual heads and can read/write both sides without removing the disk. Format would be standard, so no need to worry about propietary hardare. These days I would think that you'd have a better chance of replacing that failed RAID controller from ebay or somewhere. Do a search of newsgroups for someone who has one and does/doesn't like it and offer to trade them straight up for a current Adaptec or something like that.

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backups to cd and other disks and maintaining file attribs
by hanasaki 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

Any recommendations on how to maintain the attribs (user/group/perms/dates...) of files when they are burned to a cd/cdrw/dvdram, or copied to another partition, and later need to be restored to their original form? comments on how to handle links? thanks

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Backup Media.
by Jonathan Hutchins 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

D'Oh! Quickest way to stumble on something obvious: post a question about it to a list. 8.5GB DVD media is double-sided DVD+R. Double-sided DVD-R is 9.4GB. I wonder if there are drives that will write both sides as a continuous image?

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Re: cdrw and dvd rw used as a floppy
by Jason Clinton 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

hanasaki wrote: > Do you usually use --u8 or --utf8? I haven't tried that option yet. My music library is the only thing that has UTF-8 in the file names and I haven't written those files directly to DVD-RAM. > You state UDF is the norm because "other file systems are not > optimized for use with discs like UDF is". Forgetting the possible > comments on grammar, why are you using ext3? For the journal? They way I've interpreted what I've read is this: UDF has components for redundacy built in to it. With DVD-RAM, that's not useful. ext3 is a fast file system with very little computational overhead so I can use those extra CPU cycles to be a compression nazi. > and, as long as you have experience with both, would you compare > experiences of one vs the other along with info on how you did get > ext3 on the disk instead of udf. If you have DVD-RAM and you only need to get the file in Unix, then use ext3. Otherwise, UDF is what you want for both CD(+-)RW and DVD(+-)(RW/RAM). > I had been looking for something is compatible with the Win cdrw > disks so it is no longer necessary to keep making/burning ISOs. I > think you are saying this is it? thanks Yes, exactly. But if you want Win32 compatibility you must use UDF.

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cdrw and dvd rw used as a floppy
by hanasaki 29 Aug '04

29 Aug '04

anyone remember the file format, filesystem, of that stuff under windows, from roxio/adaptec, that lets you use a cdrw disk as a big slow floppy? what support is there for it in linux and how? Can it do rieser? ext2/3? iso9660? rockridge/joliet? thanks

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Web Client Tracking
by Jonathan Hutchins 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

I have a client who wants to get a better idea of what path users take through his website, where they spend their time, what they're really interested in. He gets "Analog" and "Webalizer" reports, but those reflect the single-page-view perspective that HTML implies, and he wants session logs. (I don't think he's quite clear on how much information he's asking to digest, but anyway...) Anybody know of a package that breaks the stateless model of HTML and will give him the tracking he's after? Oh, one that acutally works would be nice. He found one that launched a new perl script for each new page view on the server, and when it hit something like 2039 parallel instances none of the other CGI stuff would work.

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HD maker makes a Linux HD
by Brian Densmore 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

http://news.com.com/Mobile+hard+drive+carries+Linux/2100-1003_3-5325181.htm… A USB HD that turns any PC into a Linux PC for ~$200. Pretty cool. Doubt it will last long.

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